Zero. FSSP Events The FSSP has a long public and well documented record with the SSPX. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! The Society and its faithful simply stayed Catholic such as it has always been and always will be in spite of the conciliar revolution. Fort Wayne, IN Nor is it a challenge or personal attack on anyone reading this. Voris has so applied his intellect. Providence, RI I do think it possible to simultaneously hold that Bishop Olsons action was in certain ways unjust to the staff and students at Fisher More while also being critical of the administrative leadership of President King. Richmond, VA As one who was there for this sermon (and many more), and class, I firmly state that he has NEVER attacked the SSPX. The Catholic Church has not released a public list of clergy members who have been credibly accused of sexual misconduct or assault. Rapid City, SD Opus dei (small d) is the lace connecting all the dots of the CMTV operation that not many people appear to be willing to look into. 1st group attend the new mass at local parishes this ranges from sunday catholics too conservative and everything in between can comprise of people who dont make good use of the sacraments to parish council types , eucharistic ministers etc. I think that for piety, for love of Our Lord, and for love of the Holy Father (no matter how bad he is), we ought to publicly resist his errors based on the previous Popes throughout history. Athanasius Schneider, Bp. rich, You have some excellent points in your comments, but I agree with Mr. Matt on this one. The bottom line, in my opinion, is he is merely a distraction from the real issues facing the Catholic world and the world in general. EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. Most of the time unfortunately it falls into a type of group. No one here is committing the Mortal sin of Calumny here against the FSSP or Father Wolfe FSSP. Mr Carroll has turned ChurchMilitant.com into his Ideological Toy. . It can happen from a negative event; that is, when someone or something becomes threatened in such a way that forces us to look at it with the attention it deserves. Voris used Father Wolfe FSSP in his attacks. El Paso, TX It might seem like a small misfortune, but that Colleges demise illustrates in spades the traps awaiting any future independent and stridently Catholic apostolate that seeks to foster unity among the trad diaspora. Its very uncatholic to pretend you belong to an exclusive club. In fact, there seems to be an unspoken standard for comparison about what constitutes a home: home is supposed to be a place of security, stability, and safety, a place where one found love and learned about life, was educated and allowed to mature, so as to engage and contribute well to the larger world outside it, and remained always a place one can return to for a needed respite. Whatever happens in October affects not Holy Mother Church. Walker) will be the pastor. First of all whatever myself or others comment here does not mean that this is louies position or that he even agrees with the comment. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. Views and opinions expressed in the Missive are solely the writers and do not necessarily reflect those of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. Dear Louie, Register Now. these are mostly priests that *belonged* to the SSPX. Yet, he sticks with it like glue. This rendition of an Internet TV Network has NOTHING to do with the Catholic Faith. I used to think my family would grow out of it. Dear piokolby, Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. "I think today a lot of those devotions are missed," Father Stinson said. but they have an interesting video which I have linked to several times (not sure anyone has watched it), but they make a point re: +Wmson thinking that Ratzinger is a good person. Catholics are watching and waiting. FSSP NA on YouTube I have a great devotion to our lords most sacred heart i go mass first fridays make a few holy hours in the week recite the litany of sacred heart etc , i kept coming across the argument , its replacing devotion to the sacred heart which in my case wasnt true. Back in the day, Voris, out of genuine concern for souls, used to lambaste the new Mass as a danger to the faith. So whats the opposite of human respect, piety? South Bend, IN You do not have to rehash your reasons why you hate Mr. Matts opinion as I just re-read your words and the responders here on this link: The founding document of the FSSP contains lies and heresy. Quincy, IL It can be done, but always with a view that charity is the FIRST item ticked off. dear rich, It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. I assume, perhaps wrongly, that anyone who engages in any way with the Dimonds espouses their stance against Church teaching on BOD and BOB & other things I'll not mention here but you know what they are , I hope. The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. Have you noticed the fall off in comments by the regulars? Michael Voris has a bee in his bonnet and he has boxed himself into lambasting a group that just goes about its business without giving him any attention at all. This is sophomoric at best. My only point was the Church today is in a dire crisis and the antics of Mr. Voris are the least of our problems. Unfortunately, it is about to go the way of The DuMont Television Network, which was more entertaining. If I do, in fact, belong to an exclusive club, I would hope it would be as a Catholic faithful who adheres to the unchanging tenets of the Catholic Church as Christ established it. Rules or commands should be in play, and they need to be, but these are not what are supposed to define the home. German-speaking Chaplain Father Gerald Gesch. Confraternity of St. Peter A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. God bless you. Our Holy Faith often falls victim to being taken for granted. (1) This is the price for full communion, There is no such thing as partial communion. It was sent in by a parishoner when the FSSP got the personal parish. Lexington, KY Dear piokolbe and/or radtrad, The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates FUNERAL HOMES. A few years ago, there was a large national media initiative to reach out to lapsed Catholics called Catholics Come Home. Saguto is an excellent priest but he needs to stop perpetuating this lie and he needs to order his priests to do the same. Confraternity of St. Peter Will you also look at the links I posted above? And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. Wolfe to begin attacking the SSPX, and that posture only heightened following the election of Pope Francis. FORT WAYNE. Both Verrecchio and Voris are about exactly my age born at the tail end of the American baby boomers and although not a bit as courageous or knowledgeable in the faith as them, I really commiserate with both their stories. Heck, they dont even tell every person they meet to avoid the Novus Ordo! We are all fighting for the faith in one way or another. Clarkdale, AZ The glad tidings of Christmas should be obvious to anyone who believes. Prior to working at CNA, she was the managing web editor of Townhall.com; she has a BA in. There are validly consecrated priests & bishops worldwide to shepherd & provide (valid-it must be noted,) Sacraments to the faithful by the thousands. Tulsa, OK Wolfe has apparently been rather willing to speak about Vatican II in strongly condemnatory terms, and he also openly criticized Pope Francis in various sermons, although typically on weekdays when they are not recorded. Faithful Catholics do not have time to be having this debate with the Synod just around the corner. Thanks for the levity. Orlando, FL I was still reading his blog almost daily when it all transpired, and can remember it not sitting well with me after hearing his explanations. This gossip fest is now less scintillating than a junior high school girl spat in the Bronx after a game of Double Dutch. Look more closely into the factions and personalities in and around Irving that split up Fisher Moore College around 2012-14, and you just may find your answers as to whose motives now motivate whom. Montreal, QC Im happy to let people know what led me to the place where I currently stand. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? Many faithful Catholics couldnt take it anymore, so to speak, and simply left. The fear of being disobedient to (modernist) Popes made so many many Catholics in the last 50 years compromise. A home then is not a sum of commands or rules given by a father or mother. I suppose that you wont change your mind, as you have said that you already looked at the links above, but I wanted you to know (with my greatest respect for you) that the Lazarus story does not add strength to the thrice-condemned divine mercy case. I worship in an SSPX Parish and I know full well why Im there. Let Voris live in his blissful world. ), Even though Im not real keen on the idea of expending a great deal of energy parsing the criticisms of a man who is so clearly motivated by an agenda that has nothing whatsoever to do with seeking and telling the truth. Tacoma, WA Edmonton, AB Gerard Saguto, FSSP, and the liturgical artist, Mr. Paul Sirba. Stop using deceptive language. Mr. Peter McShurley ('14), Rev. Michael Voris is kidding himself if he thinks for even a moment that he is any way comparable to the SSPX as it concerns addressing the present crisis in the Church. Voris and Co. no longer has an interest in urging their viewers to do that; Voris simply wants to dictate to the audience what serves him best. He knows very well (as he and I had discussed in some detail on more than one occasion) that the SSPX came about as a very direct response to the errors of the Second Vatican Council and the deplorable theology of the Novus Ordo Missae. Loving father of Michael,Ginamarie Lutzky and Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP. We are loathe to believe that our leaders could possibly mislead us, even to the point where certain propositions set forth in an ecumenical council are a danger to the faith. Saguto was removed for violating rules about not being alone with a minor apparently. Could you please provide a link or more information on the closing of Fisher More College and how it relates to Michael Voris? The only people that ran anywhere were the faithless and feckless fools who, many unknowingly, just accepted the Council and the new Mass as gifts from Almighty God. Besides its probable connection to ChurchMilitant.coms zeal against the SSPX, the unraveling of Fisher More College (the presidents fiscal leadership aside) is a stark study just how quickly Church power will coalesce to suppress an institution whose express mission is Traditional Catholic Formation (unless of course the institution was grandfathered in and has swallowed every conciliar tenet proffered since grandfather died). (I also think Drumms defense of the Dudley affair is unpersuasive. Saguto, time for adoration and confessions, and a Rosary walk. This link is more succinct. Apr 20, 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. And this goes unchallenged! Why did the SSPX priest so advise certain persons? In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. Wolfe) said earlier: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. Tacoma, WA In the end, Michael can protest that Terry Carrolls money has no part in this all he wants, but only a willing fool can believe it. Phoenix, AZ Saguto for his work as District Superior of North America since 2015. Lastly it is with Father Paul Nicholson, Father Nicholsons Bishop and opus dei. That said, we disagree on the points you bring up. Oklahoma City, OK There is a schismatic attitude in the fact of consecrating bishops without pontifical mandate. There is a glee I read here when piokolby and rich and some others come out with yet another outrageous statement about somebody. Sacrificate sacrificium justitiae, et sperate in Domino, Telephone: (570) 842-4000Fax: (570) 319-9770info@fssp.com, Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter450 Venard RoadSouth Abington Township, PA 18411, SupportPrivacy PolicyMachine Readable Files, Adjutorium Program (Masses for Living and Deceased Members), Webinar Today: St. John Bosco Camp Application Launch. I was reading the blogger Leo over on Catholic Truth Scotland and he said a priest once described Vatican II as human respect, dogmatized. Fr. Im glad you agree that Fisher Mores story is so important. The abandoning took place with the founding document ecclesia dei in 1988 and was made more clear in 2003 with the FSSP constitutions. Saguto is FSSPDistrict Superior in the United States: Insanity has been described as "doing the same over and over while expecting different results." Time and again I have tried to make clear that pocket recordings do not faithfully reproduce choral sound. Id also like to see the currently all pervasive Heresy itself honestly made a point of discussion, without sentimentality or appealing to emotions which we all have wrapped up in this topic. Their website didnt say where he was going. I, too, had learned much from Fr. every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass. Fall - Men's Recollection - The Holy Name Society will be sponsoring a Men's Morning of Recollection given by Fr. Member of the traditionalist Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. This is a bit off topic, but are you aware of why Fr Flood is no longer in charge of the N American FSSP? Also, the cardinal mentioned Fr. Dear grandfather of. And we must distinguish between the two. Fraternity Publications Edmonton, AB Maple Hill, KS Full communion is a VC2 heresy. Indeed, the extent and depth of the teaching of the Second Vatican Council call for a renewed commitment to deeper study in order to reveal clearly the Councils continuity with Tradition, especially in points of doctrine which, perhaps because they are NEW, have not yet been well understood by some sections of the Church.. Please keep in mind that I am speaking only for myself. All evil? Voris has, in many cases, exposed the corruption inside the N.O. Where to begin? The modernists are suborning the so-called traditionalists. Wolfe. For any layman to take up this duty is a very serious matter. However, sadly, the impression is often given that this is not the case. Not even one? Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. I totally agree with you about CMTV. 8:00am Preparation for Mass*. Ad majorem Dei gloriam. 1 of the problems we have is that if your a traditional catholic bad wording but you know what i mean then what tends to happen is you end up in one of those groups in my comment lower down. Tragically the position ruling the evidence mode into which the SSPX has morphed is a hook that draws, as in removing a vaudeville performer from a stage . But then again, Sister Lucia warned us; didnt she-? I feel sorry for Michael Voris. In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. Wolfe. I hope all you FSSP faithful and supporters remember this when you are putting the envelope in the basket on Sunday. We are semi-contemplative Marian Sisters, which means that, while we pray the full Divine Office in common and have 1-1/2 hour of mental prayer each day, we also . I know one FSSP priest ONE that has publicly said the SSPX is not in schism. This is the document that created the FSSP. The error can be found in document ecclesia dei in 1988 and was made more clear in 2003 with the FSSP constitutions. Houston, TX Only God can do that. Novus Ordo Traditionalists That is the most Orwellian phrase I have ever heard. In our Catholic life they are usually priests and bishops and this is being done by many of them. May Our Lord reward you for your great defense of the Faith and holy priests, EVERYWHERE!! No, Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos said as much with respect to the SSPX when he said: We are not confronted with a heresy. That constancy, Father Saguto said, is important in a world where constant change is the norm. Shame on the FSSP! Good people do not go along w/heresy. I think some charity is in order here. Ignorance is bliss. Any insight you can give regarding this reaction will be appreciated. I absolutely have always loved this film. If they fail to do their duty then the moral responsibility for the many Mortal sins coming from all of this rest with the leadership of the FSSP and the Bishop of Father Paul Nicholson. Liars and cowards is what the two I spoke to wereand one was the former head of the order here in America. DID I MISS THE PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM THE FSSP? God bless you. Atlanta, GA We have not yet seen Justice in the Fisher Moore College scandal. b) Moreover, I should like to remind theologians and other experts in the ecclesiastical sciences that they should feel themselves called upon to answer in the present circumstances. it comes from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which they experience. Thomas Paprocki. Voris, by contrast, runs every last word through a filter; avoiding anything that might conflict with more personal concerns; the likes of which well address a little later. So let me go on record here by saying that I will gladly sit with Michael Voris on a live program to discuss specific reasons why no Catholic should ever be forced to sign off on Vatican II as an integral part of tradition.. We would like to express our deepest gratitude to Fr. Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. Agree. FSSP Missions Interesting insight. Of course not. So does the Church. I, for one, have found so many polite & dear empathetic souls here on Mr. V.s site who treat me wth tender kindness even on my worst days, and would never even think of bringin up my myriad flaws & throw them in my face. The Bishop did not stop Nicholson. Denton, NE (Seminary) In this, Michael Voris protests too much. financially, the college was always on life support. Father Saguto began serving as All Saints pastor in August 2018. Omaha, NE But they didnt. If Terry Carroll was just another CMTV premium member with an axe to grind, would Michael Voris have done this same about face? Gerard Saguto FSSP has been named priest administrator. Fr. I do not have a right to say anymore. I have a certain admiration for Fr. Wolfe. I pray that Catholics (on BOTH sides of this issue) read your response and learn that the real enemies of Our Lord love confusion and division. I want news I can use, and information about my beloved Church that either furthers my knowledge about her, or warns me about those who want to destroy her. And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. It is a reaction to the dreadful years after the Second Vatican Council which is getting worse by the minute. http://iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-divine-mercy-sunday/. Nothing more and probably less. FSSP pastors are . There is no other way for mankind to have been saved and redeemed except through the sacrificial offering of God Himself, totally innocent and obedient, to God the Father. Perhaps bc of those such as yourself who have been poorly & even cruelly treated by a sedevacantist somewhere along the line, some proceed to make vast generalizations. FSSP International After ten years of pastoral service, he was appointed by Fr. Looking at what happened at Fisher Moore College in the light of the attacks from Voris this week and in the light of the attacks on Father Gruner the night of his death by Father Paul Nicholson this is all clearly a manifestation of the demonic. Although not everything on this site can be trusted, the site does a good job with this supposed visionary. Even more so, things that are most important also have an uncanny ability to expose our personal limits and insecurities, which we find threatening as they leave us open to criticism, and so engaging them carries its own risks. Who do you say that I am? Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. The Radical Catholic blog has confirmed from CMTV that Voris and CMTV plagiarized the sermon of a Priest of the FSSP in his attack on the SSPX. Nevertheless, his blog, writing style, and persona seemed to be totally different to me from that day forward. 3:00pm Closing Talk - Fr. (1 Cor:23). Not good enough for some here. since the doctrinal declaration of april 15th 2012 to rome made public easter 2013 priests and bishop wiiiamson saw that the society was changing its direction that archbishop lefebre had founded. I will not take it any further than that here, with respect to Louies request to engage in sedevacantist disussions at length not here, but in the forums. Especially in light of the context in which hes stepping up his attack with the Pope extending a remarkable olive branch to Econe and disastrous developments in annulment law and the ominous maneuverings underway for the Synod Against the Family.. Sad. Springdale, AR Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass Lol.it wont be happening my friend. Dear Scott, First of all everything said about Fr. EVANSVILLE. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Qubec, QC That we were all good people. That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. No status means just that none. I thank God daily for them. Post Falls, ID ), Supporters of the Society are also discouraged from participating even in FSSP settings because the FSSP accepts Vatican II.. 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