Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites. God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. The Gibeonites achieved their short term goal - survival; but they paid a terribly long term price for it - virtual slavery! They didn't present themselves in a truthful light saying that they were neighbors who respected Israel's strength and godly advantage and were suing for peace. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. This cultural trait makes it difficult for many people to identify with Jesus Christ. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. Things were going wrong. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. Then Ishbi-Benob, who was one of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose bronze spear was three hundred shekels, who was bearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. How long was the average lifespan at the time? If you look at a map in the back of your Bible which has something to do with the conquest of Israel, you will see that Gilgal is right over the Jordan River, just on the eastern side of the land. And King David rolled over and let this happen. He received good marks in Scripture. However, the Gibeonites did. The historical narrative of King David is drawing to a close. There is demotion. The person who commits a sin is guilty of that sin, and God punishes that person for that sin. This is what we have to learnunderstanding the distinction between guilt for sin, and the lingering effects of sin. Vote Up he put the Gibeonites to death. The second is at the end of verse 2, that "Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for Israel and Judah." What have you been thinking about?". This does not make any sense. In the economy of God's providence, however, such tiny events often matter much. We want them to reflect what a real person would do in extreme or extraordinary circumstances. These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. Also, the Lord pronounced, It is a result of the massacre by Saul and welcome classification because Saul indeed destroyed the Gibeonites in the Bible. There is no record in the Bible of Saul killing Gibeonites. Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit. As mentioned earlier, there was the rebellion of Absalom. Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. They did not inquire. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. ", If you are on your spiritual game, and famine is occurring in your land, do you wait three years until thousands may have died? * 1 Samuel 18:12 KJV And Saul was afraid of David, because the LORD was with him, and was departed from Saul. * 1 Samuel 18:15 KJV Wherefore when S They looked to Him and were radiant, and their faces were not ashamed. It seems that modern Westerners want their heroes flawed. I do not know. We have to understand that the people of the land represent the things we need to overcomeour human nature and our problems; the world and its pulls to its ways; and Satan and all the ways that he tries to manipulate us. By this time, having fought all his life since he was a teenagerup against Goliath when he was eighteen or soand here he was approaching 70 years old, and he was tired. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. You do not know. In 1 Samuel 10, Saul first tries to kill David by straight up pinning him to the wall with his spear, but David dodges twice. The rains did not come after the Days of Unleavened Bread when these seven men were executed. I think that this was a test from God, and David failed spectacularly, except in keeping his promise to Jonathan. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. Why wasn't I told about this?" The Gibeonites have the dubious distinction of having duped Joshua and the elders of Israel. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). He was distracted. This poor man cried out, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. So this zeal may not have carried good connotations (cf John 2:17) it was not zeal for God but zeal for man, an ongoing problem with Saul. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. King David was perhaps the only converted person in the entire nationmaybe besides the high priest of the time, but we do not know. Report. WebThese lists are not concerned with the Gibeonites at Gibeon, but with the Benjaminite group which came to settle at Gibeon in the course of time. He just let the natural cycles take their course. But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. Saul killed a lot of people. I haven't been keeping up on things. If we think that we have it all figured out, I am sorry, we do not. Can we assume that God was in any way propitiated at the conclusion of this story? 2. How many rebellions were there? (4:10). Nob. Obviously, having seen what happened to Jericho and Ai, they knew God and Israel were serious. 0 responses The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. I do not know when God through Samuel stripped him of the kingdom. Share He did this "in his zeal for. Has the book of Amos been fulfilled or is it a reference to end times? Clarify The two hints are that Saul and his house had a reputation for violence"Saul and his bloodthirsty house." Is that what happened?" This is interesting. Deep and long lasting trouble for both parties - both the Israelites and the Gibeonites - was the fruit of this clever, but calamitous deception. by LeRoy Gardenier So, give or take, 40 to 50 years have passed. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. Verse 5 does not say that the guilt of a person extends to his great-great grandchildren. David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. Perhaps he thought, "Hmm. So the famine continued for another half a year. Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. We have all followed in the same way of life as our first parents Adam and Eve. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. II Samuel 21:7 But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. He committed colossal sins that whole nations would be held in contempt for. This angered God and was only amended years later after sacrificing seven of Sauls sons to the Gibeonites by hanging them before Jehovah at Sauls hometown, Gibeah. After that, Gibeonites were no longer mentioned though there are some writers who believed that they were among the Nethinim, the ones selected to serve the temple. Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". 1. King David, for example, made huge errors in judgment and committed colossal sins. Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. He asked me, "How does this incident square with what God says in Ezekiel 18:19-20?". WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. You are no longer fit to be king." Nevertheless, he names a few of them. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Jerusalem is almost directly west a few miles, but it is quite high from the Jordan to the Jerusalem. He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. Instead, the Gibeonites demanded the execution of seven of Saul's sons. So, others besides Saul were guilty. I Samuel 14:52 Now there was fierce war with the Philistines all the days of Saul. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. He did not negotiate at all. Two years is a long time. He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. But, the big thing was that he did not consult God about what he should do about it. Then we have verses 34 through 36. Why was Satan so effective in influencing the actions of Eve? God only let the rain cycle start again. The prophet Zechariah asks a question that is forever pertinent to all spiritual considerations and decisions: "For who hath despised the day of small things?" They fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and they were stuck. All it is, was, "We want blood, and anyone from the house of Saul will do.". Webzeal of king Saul - who was a Benjaminite - against the Gibeonites. WebKing Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Evidently, he thought that he could win back his kingdom if he zealously did God's will. One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. WebThis points to their employment in the sanctuary; and possibly may shed some light on the massacre of the Gibeonites by Saul (2 Samuel 21:1). Yes, my lord, he answered. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. . He became jealous and he went wacko, basically. King Saul (and his house?) It is very evident from verse 4 that somebody offered money, either from the palace or from the family of Saul. So they thought, "Hmm. Deuteronomy 32:4. A person dies for his own sins, not those committed by someone else, whether father, son, or black sheep uncle. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. Let's see what's in our bag of tricks. It does not require at all times that a person guilty of bloodshed die. This is pretty clear. And Agag, he's a nice guy! 6. This traditional doctrine, as heard in a Catholic or Protestant church, would say that this sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden rests upon us still. "There was a famine in the days of King David for three years, year after year. This incident of the famine took place rather late in David's life. If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating delusion. They were the five sons of Merab, Saul's daughter. [And the answer is] Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. They do what their flesh tells them to dowhat Satan inspires them to want to doand they do it. Saul agreed, and off he went. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. The higher the vote, the further up an answer is. The Bible tells us that after Saul's death God sent a famine into the land mainly to get the attention of Saul's successor, King David. Because of their peace treaty and their oath with the Gibeonites, which included these people. I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. He had a body of law that he could have referred back to and come up with a solution. But certainly, David was. Who was the father of Mephibosheth? They were probably innocent of this particular crime. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! That would be such a carnal thing to dojust let the Gibeonites kill seven of Saul's kids who could claim the Israelite throne and get them out of the way. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. This is in the second commandment. Why are they where they were? This was history now. What Saul did was commit another presumptuous sin. At the request of the Gibeonites themselves, seven sons of Saul were executed ( II Sam. The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. The midrash states that when Saul learned of this, he was angry with his daughter and demanded of her: Why did you deceive me and let my enemy escape? He decided to let the Gibeonites dictate everything. II Samuel 21:8-9 So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. How far away was Gilgal from Gibeon? They were appeasing their own god to send rain. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, leaving them corrupt and faithless. Web11 Then the king sent for the priest Ahimelek son of Ahitub and all the men of his family, who were the priests at Nob, and they all came to the king. I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. Time to retire!" ", Or even after two years. 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. Should we make a covenant with them? Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation" Psalm 24:4-5. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." There is a very important difference. I am just going to start with the backdrop to the incident. Also David seems to have only spared Mephibosheth only because he made an oath, and not for the fact that he was only five years old and did not participate in killing the Gibeonites? THE BATTLES OF THE LORD Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. He did not do anything to directly intervene. It takes into consideration things like accidental death, and premeditation. Then there are things of degeneracy. WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. If what happened against Gibeon occurred during Saul's reign, even if it was in the latter half, it would mean it was at least (if we are in the last decade of King David's reign) that the massacre of Gibeonites occurred 40 or 50 years earlier. The Gibeonites merely asked for a mutual help pact that would guarantee not only mercy and aid from Israel, but protection from their common enemies. There were no conditions. He was tired, and wanted to get it out of the way. They were a group of Amorites. 3. We cannot let them linger around. What is the meaning of the parable of the rich man and his manager? That is basically how it was. There is no want to those who fear Him. DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION So they performed all that the king commanded. But that conclusion is a bit too sanguine once you begin to look into that which is not said, or what is said elsewhere. I will do it." Were they participants in killing the Gibeonites? Even so, maybe there were even worse problems, perhaps, and David was blind to them for three years. How much food did Jesus produce? The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. They buried the bones of Saul and Jonathan his son in the country of Benjamin in Zelah, in the tomb of Kish his father. What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? A lot can happen in two years. We are not finished with that yet, because, who were the Gibeonites? But they refused the offer. Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. Most people living in modern, Western culture better identify with flawed heroes, rather than perfect heroes. WebThe designation Nethinim is derived from the Hebrew verb natan ("to give over"), which can mean devoting someone to cultic service. "There's something rotten in Denmark," as the saying goes. WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. There is another thing that needs to be thrown out there as a possible scenario, and this would have been the very worst and lowest that David could have sunk to. We do not know how long before II Samuel 21 this incident happened. Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. September 01 2013 There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. Therefore, this curse goes down until the gene pool is able to kick it outthree or four generations. The Israelites had been dealing with the Gibeonites, who were Hivitesand as it says here, they were a part of the Amorite peoplesince the first days in the land under Joshua. It says that they were Saul's sons. Then we have the explanations of which we just went over. There was not a cloud in sight and you are the king. Also, they were hanged on the hill before the Lord. Just tell me and I will do it for you.. However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. Saul, after having disqualified And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. How many died in sicknesses? Where have you been, David? We can't withstand them. It's much too heavy any more!" This is a major reason why the church of God does not subscribe to the traditional doctrine of "The Fall of Man." Eisenhower was still in office. Davids choice of victims reflects at least the covenant between him and Jonathan, if not also the one between him You cannot tell. . God sent the rain, it says specifically, "from heaven," verse 10, "in the latter rains," which is their normal cycle. The cities of refuge were designed (among other things) to stop and prevent these feuds from happening. He was the king. He attempted the genocide of Had David been righteous and been crying out to God, God would have heard him. Jew or gentile? Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. God affirms that the famine is punishment for Sauls massacre of the Gibeonites, who had been protected by a treaty since the Israelites first invaded the Promised Land ( Joshua 9:127 ). Good question. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. One of them toward the end of this list is King David. This incident appears in time sequence toward the end of his life. Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. II Samuel 21:14 So they performed all that the king commanded. They may not have been involved at all, depending on how early in Saul's reign this event took place. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." The chronicler, herewhoever he wasis giving us a big hint that David's attention was elsewhere for three whole years. Saul committed a great crime against Gibeon and the Gibeonites. Perhaps trickery will be better than war for us.". Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. Throughout the centuries, the original Gibeonites continued to exist as a people, although King Saul schemed to destroy them. The Gibeonites, howev How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. Some unfinished business here needs to be taken care of. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. We have an easier time identifying with the flawed, but heroic, Lancelot from the legends of King Arthur, because he is a lot more like ushe commits sin; he has faults. Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. God is not bloodthirsty, but He had told them what to do. The Bible implicitly hints at something which caused a feud which was settled only by the blood of Sauls descendants. HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST It comes as a snare, Christ says, on everybody. ", "She's been doing that for six months? It is not genetic. Saul became a bit strange in the head after this, if you will remember. Scripture has said this explicitly. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. There is a difference. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). . When were threatened by a Philistine attack, Saul he disobeyed Jehovah by offering a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. However, there was a difference between Israel's version and the Gentiles' principle of vengeance or retribution. It is his sin. He went after a people that God did not want exterminated anymore. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. Exodus 21:12-13 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. The consequences are not the guilt. God is warning here that sin has consequences. or who shall stand in his holy place? Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. Web16 And it happened at the end of three days, after they had made a covenant with them, that they heard that they were their neighbors who dwelt near them. That is not what it says here. In addition, his own soldiers had to tell him, "David, you just don't have it anymore. Even their empty wine skins were completely dried up and cracked. He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. Pagan cultures were killed because they were pagan cultures and they were making war on Gods people. If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. To put it in a more modern time setting, a lot of people prefer Batman (the dark one), or Spiderman (the geek), to Superman for the very same reasons. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God punishes people for their own iniquity. Then Gibeon was a mile or two more to the north-northwest. I am putting this all together from history. Such a shame to destroy it all! One of the things He specifically mentions is famine, which happens to be the third sealphysical famine, but we remember from Amos that there is a spiritual famine as well. It certainly happened because it says there in verses 1 and 2 that Saul killed a lot of Gibeonites at some point in his reign. Please ensure your answer MEETS all our guidelines. So, it is very likely that these men were murdered both as retribution and as sacrifices to some pagan god to spite the God of the Bible, and therefore, Israel. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Leviticus 26:3-4 If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. SERIES INTRODUCTION He was tired of life, tired of war, tired of all the politics, tired of all the rebellion, tired of Joab. He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. With a careful reading and a bit of thought, you will begin to raise some questions. There were big problems, and one of them was the consequences and effects of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. You had only black and white television if you had television. The Israelites had promised not to Let me ask God about this. Israel plagued by allowing the deception He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. It is not pretty when we allow the people of the land to dictate to us. The Gibeonites were not Israelites, but the remnant of the Amorites, which Saul pursued from within Israel. A snare is a trap. But so did David. Rizpah, Lord Alfred Tennyson in 1878. Sheba's rebellion is in the previous chapter, II Samuel 20. Another possibility is that when Saul slew many of the priests at Nob he also executed many Gibeonites (1 Samuel 22:19). WebSaul slew the Gibeonites, not simply as the son of Kish, but as the king of Israel, and therefore involved all Israel with him in the violation of the national oath; and hence, until the evil should be put away by the execution of the immediate offender or his representatives, all Israel must suffer. 21:2, NIV).2 Saul did this in his zeal for Israel and Judah. So for nationalistic reasons Saul was guilty of attempted genocide. It was certainly alive and well in Israel. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." "Now therefore, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaveswoodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God." Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. And the Lord said, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and With all the recent rebellions, he was probably worried that his alliances were going to fail, because he may have appeared to weaken. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. And saved him out of the wicked shall be upon himself, and made them wood cutters and laborers. We do not know how long before II Samuel 20 person would do in extreme or circumstances. 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