Active 2020. Do the claims about Netherlands trains also require further explanation? Belgium and Finland, wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities, http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy, http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf, http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/, https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. [10] [11] [12], 2015 The question is: how long must a windmill generate energy before it creates more energy than it took to build it? [1], By December 2013, 1,975 wind turbines were operational on land in the Netherlands, with an aggregate capacity of 2,479 MW. It sharply cut subsidies down to 1.5 billion, leaving private sector to carry over wind turbine investments should these be beneficial.[6]. It`s a scam. You know all that and simply fabricate a problem where there is non. If NS consumes an amount of gray electricity, than other consumers who pay for gray electricity will get same amount of wind electricity mixed in their gray electricity. The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nation's share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. In fact, an investigation by Energy Matters finds that the electrified portion of NS mainly runs on electricity derived from coal and natural gas. , I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system.. These include the 580km NorNed submarine cable (700 MW) link to Norway, the 1,000 MW BritNed cable link to the United Kingdom and the COBRA cable link to Denmark (700 MW). Works for me, and they were cheaper than EON too. [5] The first of these, the 429 MW Noordoostpolder wind farm was already partially deployed by year end 2015 whilst the 600 MW Gemini offshore wind farm was commissioned in 2017. But you can arrange for a proxy burn of biogas in another state, say Colorado, and buy the rights to say you consumed it. NS consumes 1.2 terawatt hours (TWh) of electricity each year, which is the equivalent of 1% of the Netherlands' electricity consumption, or the total electricity consumption of all the households in Amsterdam. This quote appeared in a book edited by Homer-Dixon, but it was actually written by David Hughes. Apparently Eneco can make the wind blow to order.). At near the speed of light, is there such a thing as national or regional energy mix, other than in our habit forming minds? If a energy supply company contracts with a renewable provider ( I am not including nuclear sources) would it be based on the installed power of the wind farms or a capacity factor adjusted power capabilities? If not, Im sure their stranded customers would be happy to explain it to them. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. What is SDE? It is reportedly due to the early completion of some of these farms that enabled the 100% wind target to be reached one year in advance. An Eneco and NS joint website. They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. At a good wind site, the energy payback day could be in three years or less; in a poor location, energy payback may be never. Several commercial parties have now caught onto the PR value of claiming they are not getting government subsidies for their investment in renewable energy. The commercials know that the public will probably think that the commercial parties are spending out of the goodness of their hearts, to save the planet. Temporarily, they might even have a surplus to sell. The energy required to power trains in the Netherlands comes from newly built wind farms in the Netherlands as well as in Belgium and Finland. Ah, so the train really runs on smoke & mirrors. No direct subsidies from the government are related to this contract.. In other words, the two oldest sources of renewable power, water and wood, are carrying most of the burden for Burlingtons renewable achievement, not the sources that might come to mind when people read the headline. [2] The Dutch are trying to meet the EU-set target of producing 14% of total energy use from renewable sources by 2020, and 16% by 2023. Offsets. Its of course a waste to install a separate grid with only 100% renewable electricity. Ah, so they're contracted for wind energy offset, not 100% wind energy powered. Built 1992 this nearshore wind farm had just 4 Nedwind 500 KW turbines based 1km to shore. Sign up for our email newsletter! When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . For example, in 2015, Burlington, Vermont, became the first city to announce it was running totally on renewable power. Roger, Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion., Thats the whole point, Brian There are hardly any people with a basic understanding of electrical energy If most would have an understanding, there would be no renewables at all The whole charade would not even have started in the first place , Just as Otter says above, on different forums, lots of people are claiming Im 100% renewable (because I have a 100% RE contract with Essent, or Lampiris, or Belpower, or ENI, or ), Neither humour (so you got all the wind power this morning, because there was none left for me !, nor hard facts (for the 8-day period 27/12 03/01, that I just took a look at for another discussion, Wind and Solar provided a grand total of 4.6% of all electricity used in Belgium Was that enough for all of them 100% RE contracts ? Dutch electricity company Eneco won a tender offered by NS two years ago and the two companies signed a 10-year deal setting January 2018 as the date by which all NS trains should run on wind energy. Active 2016. World-famous for their picturesque windmills, the Netherlands has always had a love affair with wind energy. HomerDixon.com. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. These newer and larger wind farms are making use of some of the largest wind turbines available, in particular in the case of Noordoostpolder the Enercon E-126 7500kW wind turbine, the largest onshore turbine available at that time. The wholesale price of GOs seems to be a mere 0.36/MWh or so. Gimme a break. NS operates about 5,500 train trips a day. The T1 standard relates to telecommunications. Rather they act like a component in an electric circuit. Wind farmsboth onshore and offshoreare regarded as a key component in renewable energy policy and an important tool in mitigating the risks of climate change. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. The Netherland's national railway company, NS, has announced that all of its electric passenger trains are now 100 percent powered by wind energy. if any Finnish electron reaches Netherlands most likely it goes via Baltic states, Poland and Germany. That is why half of the demand will be sourced from a number of new wind farms in Belgium and Scandinavia, which have been specifically assigned for this contract., http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featuremichel-kerkhof-of-eneco-discusses-the-dutch-rail-networks-renewable-revolution-4647194/. The Dutch railways network (NS) started using wind energy generated by the turbines owned by electric company Eneco two years ago when they signed a ten-year agreement. Once stored, this electricity can be sold to the main power grid, helping the city to top up peak demand, and earning the train company money in the process. (End of excerpt). Under this system the government chooses locations and organizes tenders for projects of 350 MW, and project developers can offer bids for each farm. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . But you seem happy to gloss over the fact that Germanys cheap power comes from coal, nuclear and Russian gas. Same thing if you got solar panels on your house. According to a government web page ( now removed!) The other thing most people (at least in the US) dont consider when they see stories like this: A country like the Netherlands is literally 1/3 the size of the state of Ohio. As Enecos account manager Michel Kerkhof pointed out, the key objective is to avoid procuring energy from the limited existing number of sustainable energy projects in the Netherlands, thus promoting renewable growth both domestically and Europe-wide., This partnership ensures that new investments can be made in even newer wind farms, which will increase the share of renewable energy, Kerkhof continued. This year the country is due to start operating a 600-megawatt offshore wind farm, called Gemini. Well, it actually claims that only the electrified portion runs on 100% wind. All day so far. An extra live rail that has direct current flowing through it at all times. I Did Not Say Wind Energy is 'Idiot Power.'" People making this claim are simply propagandists. By Adele Peters 1 minute Read A single. Smaller turbines are often used for off grid, bespoke and community power internationally. Yeah, that'show energy works. When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from. The claim by the Dutch railway network, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), is almost entirely a sleight of hand. Even cheap electricity doesnt change anything. The rest is supplied by wind and solar power, which contribute about a fifth of the citys power. This article was amended on 11 January 2017. The truth is that its impossible to determine the source of electrons actually moving NS trains down the track. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. According to Cleantechnica Hughes did write that some windmills might not recoup their energy-construction costs, but he didn't assert, as the meme implied, that no windmills will ever generate as much energy as was invested in building them. Data from Frontier Economics. These sites are also surveyed centrally by the government allowing developers to avoid costly and multiple surveys.[11]. So that is coal fired power not going into the Netherlands grid. One such example is the largest wind farm in Holland, Noordoostpolder, which is installing industrial scale wind turbines such as the new Enercon onshore wind turbines, at the time the largest onshore turbines in the world rated at 7500kW nameplate capacity. Nor should you you probably get shaved 20% faster than me! In an anything goes era of news and social media, its not often that a post jumps off the page. Thatd give us a consumption figure for the city of around 1.5 billion kWh. It seems that NS may be outsourcing costs as well as power. To aver otherwise displays ignorance or deception. . Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy. Produced at least 3 models of outputs 100, 200, 250kW. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). There are very little poor people in Germany., http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html, The Spiegel FUD wont cut it. In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. [20], The Rachel Carson wind farm (also known as the Eemmeerdijk Wind Park.) [5] This will contribute towards the Dutch target of 14% renewable energy use out of total energy use by 2020[10] and 16% by 2023. Why cant, errr sorry, why Dont you? I think the trains in the Netherlands use 1.5kVDC anyway bet there are no wind turbines producing that directly. Electricity is electricity, electron charge transfer. EV Use Is Growing, But Where Are The Chargers. Ive included a (slightly-edited) mini-excerpt from my recent book, Science and the City, to explain: Electric locomotives dont have conventional engines. A NS train. The energy comes from new wind farms in the Netherlands and surrounding countries - and it's a lot. How it then gets used depends on the city were in. But none of this wind power is directly connected to the NS rail system. The 600,000 daily. And half of Japan, poor devils. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. If thats the case, it marks a major turning point in the story of renewables. You can't pull line between your house and a windmill and hope you have 100% power for all the time. The role of the third (or conductor) rail is to ensure that the electricity is always directly available, so its installed alongside, or in between, the pair of running rails (Keep an eye out for it when youre next on an underground train). These. Illustration We do something like this California with biogas. And no facts will ever get in the way of a true believer . However, everyone must have a contract to be authorized to draw energy from the grid; otherwise it would be stealing. [9] As a first step, the government has determined 65 sites for offshore wind farms in the North Sea and IJsselmeer. The 600,000 Dutch that travel daily by train will now do so thanks purely to wind energy, with the national rail operator Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS) announcing that 100 percent of its. Its worth noting that it would be pointless to put wind turbines in poor locations, and its trivial, or meaningless, to say that a turbine would never pay back its embedded energy in a poor location. Overall, the Netherlands has over 2,000 wind turbines spread across the country. Active 2016. Consumer unions help by auctioning for grouped members. It is a pity that they are allowing so many onshore/offshore wind turbines to blight our green and pleasant land and sea. The headline: Netherlands Trains Now Running on 100% Wind Power. For high-speed trains, overhead wires are the better choice. I would take it, then, that you are not among the poor and elderly who DO give a fig about money? Do Dutch trains run on Wind? An all-electric heating is much easier to implement, few properly dimensioned wires and cheap heaters, while a gas heater needs specific know-how and is much more capital-intensive. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman,. A book co-edited by Thomas Homer-Dixon contained a passage stating that windmills "might never generate as much energy as was invested in building [them]." As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. The 129 MW Eneco Luchterduinen wind farm is located 23km off the coast between Zandvoort and Noordwijk cities in the Netherlands. There is a DC interconnector (LitPol, 500 MW) between Lithuania and Poland now, and in addition the NordBalt (DC 700 MW) between Sweden and Lithuania. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS. Yeap. Deregulation Is Still Wrong for Consumers. 5.3M views, 13K likes, 1.3K loves, 1.7K comments, 95K shares, Facebook Watch Videos from BrightVibes: Amazing news! The Harried Dutch commuters who are travelling on one of the most environmentally friendly rail networks in the whole of Europe, if not the world are being sold a bill of goods. [1], The Dutch government has expressed the aspiration to build 4.450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023[5] which will have a considerable impact on the Dutch electricity grid, operated by TenneT. The electrons that run the electrified portion of the NS system come from many sources, including wind, but also from coal, natural gas, and nuclear. French people are bricoleurs they like to build their own house, thanks to the fact that if it has a surface below 175 m2 you dont need to go through an architect, you can do your own building plan. The European high voltage grid connects Finland with Sweden but doesnt go through the Baltic States. Transmission costs of 1.4 eurocent/kWh is to be added as TenneT is required to take power from sea to shore. So, 1) I didnt write the text, 2) the text itself is selectively quoted, and 3) the argument it makes, taken in isolation, is meaningless. BBC News. So, as you can see, your silly view of the frrrench domestic heating habits are wrong, probably based on indoctrination from greenpiss or the like. Instead of trains recovering energy for their own use, any excess power is directed to a centralized bank of lithium-ion batteries. The problem with the high costs for heating in France is the really poor quality of the dwellings, their poor insulating and cheap quality whatever means of heating one uses its literally money thrown away. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. As of October2022[update], wind power in the Netherlands has an installed capacity of 8,304 MW, 29.6% of which is based offshore. remarkably consists of wind turbines with just 2 blades, manufactured by Nedwind, the 18 turbines have a combined nominal power of 18 MW.[30]. Initially, trains in the Netherlands were set to run entirely on renewable energy by 2018. 150, 200, 225, 300, 500, 750, 850 and 1300kW. [20] An additional 228 MW of capacity was installed at sea. There is a tight social net up to the point where their transfer income pays for their existence. How Dutch and German train and bus firms are taking British taxpayers for a ride, Solar panel researchers investigate powering trains by bypassing grid, Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning. Supply from all generators is monitored in any case, all youd have to do is add up the The Netherlands is the first country in the world where all electric trains are. This record was immediately beaten the following year with another 766 MW being added. The concept of net energy must be applied to renewable sources of energy, such as windmills and photovoltaics. Their original goal was to transition the trains to 100 percent renewable energy by 2018, but that target was moved up after reaching 75 percent in 2016. Therefore, entities enter into power purchase agreements, PPAs, with various other entities that produce, or resell energy, such as electric utilities. Sign up for our email newsletter! - YouTube 0:00 / 6:04 Do Dutch trains run on Wind? Harried Dutch commuters may not be entirely cognisant of the fact . [15], In February 2022 the Netherlands announced it increased its offshore wind target to 21 GW by 2030. NS has signed a contract with Eneco to guarantee the supply of this electricity. Companies that want to claim that they run on green energy then just have to buy enough GoOs to cover their energy demand. However, it seems officials have been able to beat that goal by an entire year. The green electricity we use is generated by new wind farms, which have been brought into service in phases. I paid 1100 Euros/year for a 150 m2 house, at 1000 m altitude on the French alps, heating, hot water, everything included. [2] [6] The wind park was developed off the coast of IJmuiden by Econcern and Eneco Energie, at a total cost of $522.3 million.[6]. Homer-Dixon did not write this viral quote, but he did comment on it in a May 2018 blog post entitled: "No . The supply of wind power to the Dutch grid will also not be constant. Since 2015 there has been a trend towards the deployment and planning for large wind farms, both onshore and offshore, with a view to the approximate tripling wind power capacity from 2015 levels by 2023. France has an even bigger problem with energy poverty even though her supposedly cheaper power. Just whatever serves your agenda. Founded in 2004, Produced at least 12 models at 250, 500, 750, 900 and 2000kW. Its standard accounting practice. For NS to use only wind power from wind farms to power its rail system the wind farms must be connected directly to NSs railways. Many small scale wind farms exist throughout the Netherlands which bear testament to earlier models of wind turbines and lesser known manufacturers which provided a range of niche products, ranging in size and power output. There are very little poor people in Germany. That's something. This energy is directly traceable to individual wind farms, because we use the GVO European Certification System. According to Statistics Netherlands, gross electricity generation was approximately 110 billion kilowatthours (BkWh) in 2015. Indirect Contributions Are Essential To Physics, The Crisis In Theoretical Particle Physics Is Not A Moral Imperative, Why Study Science? At least they are investing in renewable energy. The US city of Philadelphia has taken regenerative braking to a new level though. This is about two-thirds of the system. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. [16], In March 2018 the Dutch government announced that it will build between 2023 and 2030 several new windfarms with a total installed capacity of 7 gigawatt. (Data from ENTSO-E ): No details on the current generation mix are readily available, but as shown in Figure 1 gas and coal supplied around 80% of the Netherlands electricity between 2000 and 2013 and its likely that this percentage still applies. The 113,3 Twh exported far exceeds the actual exports of course, but were good business for the power companies selling their power twice. When challenged on its claim, NS clarified that only the electrified portion of its system runs completely on wind power. Train tickets for international journeys can be purchased from NS International. Eneco has made a point . The Dutch government has set a target of 6,000 MW nameplate capacity of onshore wind power by 2020 (not met, as per the data above) and 4,450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023. [61], In 2008, a second, somewhat larger offshore wind farm was built: the Princess Amalia Wind Farm, consisting of 60 Vestas V80 2MW turbines totaling 120 MW, sufficient to power 125,000 homes and help the Netherlands cut 225,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. In 2017, our trains in the Netherlands became the first in the world to run for 100% on wind energy, giving travellers the option of travelling without CO2 emissions. Random House Canada. 600,000 passengers daily are "the first in the world" to travel thanks to wind energy. ALL traction power for the Dutch railway network will come from wind turbines under a new energy contract signed on May 15 between power company Eneco and Vivens, an energy procurement joint venture which includes Netherlands Railways (NS), Veolia, Arriva, Connexxion and railfreight operators. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. The next largest onshore wind farm is the Westereems wind farm located in Eemshaven in Groningen, in the north of the Netherlands. Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less. 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