(We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. Am I right? . I need to repent. None of those charges were looked into. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. And I just remember my first feeling, you know, just honestly, relief. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. 2. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And I was muted on my phone. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . And we were at a stalemate. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 14, 2021. Christians should stop feeding these people. Yeah Cynthia. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. So lets move on to these letters. Yes, I agree. She keeps demanding I tithe to her and she will ask god to bless me. . Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. Maybe not as profoundly as somebody whod been involved so long, but it was powerful. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. And I sat and prayed. Good to be here. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. Then pray for all of us. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. In June, he posted a picture with 2022 GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. Theres no joy in doing this. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. That this wasnt just James failure. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? I think of a few things Julie. Who were all shameless self promoters. Yeah, yeah. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. I stepped into a conference room. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. And again, this was on the churchs dime. This is the passage. So I appreciate it. I did not. Julie. And we already know the answer: the men are in charge no matter what and despite their failings and abuses. Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. I remember that too. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. Right? She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Im Julie Roys. And I did it. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. Its come to this. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. That was you, wasnt it? So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. Like, I cant believe this. It does. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. Well she finally called Julie Jezebel Roys I invited Julie to appear in a public forum before and interested audience and answer for the many many lies she has told about me and my family as well as her bullying of anyone who opposes her or stands with us. But again, you push that issue, you got those letters. And I was still on the board. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. The Roys Report is a Christian media outlet, reporting the unvarnished truth about what's happening in the Christian community so the church can be reformed and restored. And this wasnt a one time thing. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. If you find yourself unaware of It was a four hour meeting. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. Thank you Jesus, Amen. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. This was months months later. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Tragically . And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. Hi. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. And welcome to the podcast. Literally more than two dozen people. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I dont know how many people had heard of it. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. I wish Id never done it. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. Gary, Instead, he blocked our access to his and Generation Churchs social media accounts. #JRgossipslut James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 15, 2021 And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. Theres 30 men in the room. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. So then James McDonald flies in, right? There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. And I said, I understand that. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. The Asbury Revival Is Over. And so I felt relief. I payed for you and James. Thats right. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. Both are true. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? I shouldnt be doing this. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. How can we approve this? It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. There were voices raised. 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You can review it. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attentionnot just for his new partnership, but also his provocative social media posts about women and marriage. And I stopped my car. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. He was like he started appealing the process. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. These were people bringing charges against an elder. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. Well, youre welcome. Understandable. No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. So, Dan, thank you for that. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. And I dont need to know. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. . What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. But for us not to act would be unbelief. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. Thats about my attitude lately. I remember waking up that morning. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. . Ive already told you there was consensus from board. He would probably be wildly successful. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. Its impossible to take evangelicals seriously. Guard your heart and keep it diligentlyfor from it flows the content of your life. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. It was so much easier to read and understand. No, Im just reporting. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. And then he apologized. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. And when I read that, I just shook my head. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. She declined. Hes a large imposing man. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. But he starts arguing process. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. That way youll never miss an episode. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. 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