This could be a very handy skill to our team. I believe that this case WILL be solved. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. They are really good, especially parts 3 and 4, which give a lot of information about the girls photos. All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. Europe is the world . Froon and Kremers were both in their early 20s; they traveled to Panama to work with children. Do they know more than we do? US Is Europe's No. But in a country of just 300,000 people, how much tourism is too much? The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. They earn money through drug trafficking, often theft and sometimes by extorting businesses. We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? Then there are no images until April 8, when 90 unsettling nighttime pictures were taken with flash in the middle of the jungle with timestamps between 1:00 and 4:00 AM. Estou certa que no foi Lisanne que a tirou. The last photo of Kris on the rocks doesnt appear to have any evidentiary value to me. Despite search teams, which included dogs and. I never received a response. I dont see any pit. Its part of the relaxed culture. I wonder? Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. I noticed that youve submitted two more links in another newer comment. Let me know about your opinion heres the link https://youtu.be/4wqUCG5bxns loads of greetings Mel. Photo link: . That is the big picture of this case. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Yes indeed!I hadnt noticed that before!is it a carved rock of sorts?. Really sad story, whichever way you look. My husband is a mountain climber and when hes out, the mountain rescue flys multiple times a day because hikers overestimate their abilities in the german Alps, not anywhere in the jungle. I want to come!! I do not know. Most fingers seem to point to the Panama authorities, who have also been blamed for a poor initial search in the immediate days after the disappearance. Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. Why no video diary? So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. Do mobile phones store the number entered? Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. The indigenous people know how to use phones watch the Kinga documentary. This was incredibly naive but then they only just arrived.. What took them past the divide? The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. Thanks and cheers. Was the dog fed and watered by a family as opposed to being one of the many feral dogs in Latin America? Its disturbing. You can see a kind of nose and lips. I agree with you that what happened is not some misadventure. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? Why would that be? All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. I know that in previous photos there are trenches like this one naturally occurring throughout the jungle due to erosion, but this one doesnt appear to be from that. However, image 510 was taken on April 8, in the darkness of the jungle. David Lee Thomas Bass - Facts About the Musician. This story and all the bizarre features surrounding it as strange as they are, are actually very much similar to the thousands that have been put together by former cop and forest ranger David Pauladis series of books Missing 411. Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. Totally agree, Alexis. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. The world may never know what happened to the pair, but speculation still runs wild. Probably the culprit or stupid tribe didnt delete anything coz they took pictures on purpose .for example to sell the footage .but allready the police or parents who asked the investigator to delete it .they just simply didnt want to show it to everyone. Looks like shes holding her hand up to shield her eyes. Ive seen the chronological order of the photos posted by Scarlet and some of the strikes me as being askew. His family told Fox News that he had been traveling by himself and he was in good health. The tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remain a disturbing mystery. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Shortly after this photo is when the girls encountered trouble and tried to dial for help. When a bad break happens at ankle level and the body decomposes and gets scavenged once the flesh and muscle is gone the foot and shoe are separated from the rest of the leg. Nobody is safe. Do they deal in weapons, drugs, porn? ), podran darnos explicaciones de la posicin del cuerpo, de las manos y la expresin del rostro en la foto 506. Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. one girl got hurt, i think in the fall the camera got wet and bumped. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. I get why people really hard want to believe theres something more to it, but hiking a lot (in very well known areas) you can go lost SO easily. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? In the first half of this year, tourist arrivals fell globally by more than 65 percent, with a near halt since Aprilcompared with 8 percent during the global financial crisis and 17 percent amid the SARS epidemic of 2003, according to ongoing IMF research on tourism in a post-pandemic world. This was cleverly planned, and the murderer(s) have done this before. Photo #509 was permanently deleted which takes advanced technical knowledge, plus a computer. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. The real question is wether or not there is a cave or dwelling behind her. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. Tourists Killed in Mexico Is it Safe to Go Now? - Yahoo! Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. I did not cover all of the accidents and trials and tribulations along the way leading to their death. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? As for the night pics Im going to also throw this one out there and say the photos were heavily darkened to take away what was really there in view and then the spotty weather areas were added over including the rain drops. The camera had a video function this could have been used including of course sound. The goal wouldnt be to identify suspects or disrupt anyones life. to Kris left is a huge dark area that has been poorly obscured with pixellation. ), which doesnt look natural. Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? So if you look behind her bottom theres a patch of light which is the light at the other end of this tunnel and shes holding her right hand up to her face to sweep back a piece of hair. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story ^ From that point the trail leads over another dangerous cable bridge, and two more rickety plank swing-bridges, before reaching the Ngobe village of Alto Romero on the banks of the Culebra. I dont buy it that those girls were murdered on the pianista trail. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. My interest would be to see if its scientifically possible for the official theory to have happened. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . If so, it would indicate that she had been kept alive for a few weeks or more. https://i.postimg.cc/3xK4Pdmb/Kris-Kremers-Full-Photo-Highest-Res-auto-x1-1-photos-v2-faces-x2-colored-toned.jpg. People usually have dogs for a mild form of protection. Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. The predator is methodical. Theres so much conflicting information regardless of which theory is chosen. I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. Given thetimeline, authorities assumedat least one of the womenwas alive at thetime, five days into the search. These are more unanswered questions that we may never know. There is so much to see and Juan is amazing. That way, no downloads are necessary. If you find any additional information, please let me know. Fortunately, I have that ability. No dog. Small-town America no more? Tourism gains have made Panama City Beach There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. Take care. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your interest in the case. & very very eerie all in all- I think youre absolutely right on its significance. If anything, that is an evidence that they were taking more risks than a regular tourist/hiker, so being lost and/or injured seems to me much more reasonable explanation (than murdered) based on that. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. Id love to know if these pics exsist. Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. Definitely foul play, in my opinion. I just realized Blue, the guide dog who often walks hikers up the trail, whose return home without the girls alerted locals they were missing, IS NOT IN ANY OF L & K pictures. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. The fact that the backpack showed up on the bank of a river completely dry and unharmed downstream, with the camera and other electronics still functioning, shows that someone placed it there. Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. Haha, Im assuming this is a joke, right? Just trying to get as many ideas together as possible, so that some clue may surface one day. January 4, 2023. And why? or Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? Thorough job, very insightful and so well done Please visit Panama and further investigate. My first thought and instincts on the object you believe to be circular on the left is a cow skull and the fact its there is very strange indeed. Bizarre Stories About Tourists Who Went Missing Far From Home Being in a foreign country, in the tropical rainforests, especially for young curious minds, is a very unique experience. I have seen her stick out her tongue and other photos of her. We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. Ive met a few people that have maintained their pet in the same way as we do in the USA. However, the tone of the pictures began to change. How certain are we that they started at the trail head as we are told? The dog came back, but the young women didn't. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been recovered, officials said. In all of the photos, there is zero evidence to suggest that the dog was truly with the girls on their hike into the forest. Much, much more revealing. What I DO see is a very definite path. What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. So sad what happened to them today is the first Ive heard of the story and its wildly upsetting. Out of all the photos that have been released this photo disturbs me the most. Australia has 2,000 missing persons and 500 unidentified human remains Perplexing to say the least. Lisanne or Kriss hair and head 4. the dried short (Kriss) 5. both fell but their belongings were intact, no cracks in the phone? There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". 1 Long-Haul Tourism Market. Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. People in developed countries often have a more ideal view of what a pet represents. This eliminates all questions about why didnt the girls call X, Y, Z. What kind of twisted f*ck stick makes this kind of comment? Especially the beams and details, and the cave behind her. I see the nose and mouth and possibly and eye, like they were trying to hide from the girls or camera and peaking behind branches creepy. If you read the article linked, its not even an indigenous tribe. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. as a hiker myself, it would be totally unnatural to hold your hands behind your back in that way AND bend your body AND twist your body out of alignment. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. Perhaps someone has just hit Kris on the right side of her head and she is putting her hand up to where it hurts. Can anybody see that? Este rosto de uma jovem que est angustiada,aterrorizada sem saber o que fazer para se salvar. Cats are often seen as pests and scavengers which is unfortunately why many people use poison to kill local cats. In a chilling discovery, 90 photos had been snapped on the camera deep in the jungle in the dead of night on April 8 between 1am and 4am - raising questions about who took the pictures. You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). Latin America has tens of thousands of small communities, all of which operate slightly differently to some degree. This girl was tortured before they killed her. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. This is why the ping data can help because it can show if they were in one place or moving. The problem with the links you are providing is not that the links themselves are necessarily unsafe (they could be, but we wont test them)the problem is that ALL of your links require users to download some form of content. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. Right on the bank of the river/stream. Feel free to comment again or send me an email. But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. At first glance I just thought she was looking for something. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. Even if that had happened, the skeleton would have been more intact and scratch marks would have been found on the bones. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. To me, this photo says it all. Also, #509 was deleted after all of the other photos were taken, which means someone went back and deleted it after all of the nighttime photos were taken. I think the camera dried and started working again and they took pictures at night. From 508 onward. Sorry to send so many messages Chris, but as a policewoman I have never liked to give up on a case.. Hello Would like to know exactly where and when the final day photo was taken. I wrote about the upcoming book here: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/new-book-coming-spring-2021-kris-kremers-and-lisanne-froon-case/. Hope there will be a reasonable explanation to everything one day. A closer look at mysterious disappearances that continue to baffle detectives. The supporting pole is diagonal from upper right to lower middle indicating the path is beginning to head down. A search eventually turned up a severed foot and scattered remains, but authorities had trouble determininghow the hikershad died. But then Im immediately confronted with conflicting evidence to suggest otherwise. Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. Im baffled as to why this case hasnt been investigated more, if not for protecting an indigenous tribe. I think we are all seeing things that arent there. Hi Rune (and Stian), great points. She makes a last effort to wake her friend. It looks straight and like it may go over the eye and above it. This case really creeps me out, specially the findings and the pictures. Local authorities dont often feel a sense of responsibility to victims and their families. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. Any comments that are disrespectful or inconsiderate to the families of Kris and Lisanne will be removed by a moderator. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. It appears to me that Kris has her right arm to her right temple and you can see part of her left elbow. Because of thedark, the pairmight have usedthe camera flash as a light sourceor to scare away animals. Both of these 2 boys died shortly after, by murder or by accident. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. And one of the images chillingly showed the back of Kris' head with what some sleuthes believe is blood leaking from her temple. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. Forced disappearance. Poor investigations and low standards are very common in these under-developed countries. Exhausted and waited somewhere near water for days. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. You will notice another branch of dead leaf just below it. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? There's no telling how many ships or planes have "disappeared" in the Bermuda Triangle, but the U.S. Navy estimates that around 50 ships and 20 aircraft have gone missing there. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. Zooming in I swear its a person standing Hidden amongst the tangle with body paint. More info here. I was clearly kept elsewhere and planted later. And she can only hope that Kris will wake up. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. The dark side of cruises - MarketWatch Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. To me it looks like the chopped off end of a thick tree branch. This is because people who knew the area were able to recognize that the nighttime photos were likely taken at Caldera springs, more than 20 miles from the area the girls allegedly went missing at. Its perfectly normal and had they not tragically passed, its the type of photo theyd have been joking about later. Especially the one where Kris is holding a water bottle 30-40ft from the photo-taker. In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. Alex Humphrey: British tourist missing in Panama - The Guardian Its incredibly sad. While some believe Kris and Lisanne died in an accident, the ex-cop slammed the police investigation in Panama as shoddy and said it should be redone. An explosion in tourism has saved Iceland's economy. Either way, itll be interesting to see. Seems like no one has taken off in the direction of the dog and what it could have offered us. , I could be wrong but scanning through the comments didnt see some of these things being discussed, & thought Id put my 2 sense in! She clearly thinks shes found something amazing. This is a great question. Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. So, if the dog went on the hike with the girls, its most likely that the owners would not have known that fact. December 20, 2022. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. They got lost and they died of starvation and a hard ration, except for Chriss. 4. There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. Take care if you do go over there. Theres a circular object hanging to the left of Kris. Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. We usually permit our commenters to publish links to external material, and you are welcome to do the same. Please read. What Is the Bermuda Triangle, and Do Pilots Really Avoid It? - Travel And if other people learn too much, they get killed too. Hi Chris, and thank you for your nice comments! Why did they not do that? For one, the girls' camera had photos on it from hours after they stopped dialing emergency services. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. The backpack and contents were covered with fingerprints, yet they were never analyzed. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. Im curious about your experience living abroad. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. A man and a woman. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. While the case has since been declared closed by both the Panamanian and Dutch authorities (who worked on . Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. It took us quite some time to get there, the authors explain to The Daily Beast. The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. The day before theguided tour, however, they decided to explore the area surrounding the activeBarVolcano towards the Continental Divide. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. The jungle was searched for another ten days with the help of the cops from the Netherlands - but there was no sign of the girls. 1. There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. The same thing happened to the taxidriver who drove Kris and Lisanne to the forest. Just a few weeks later hes found dead. Blue, a dog known throughout the community, reportedly followed them along the trail. Is it a reasonable number? What people are mistaking as blood from her nose and lip is again just a shadow cast from her nostril and lower lip due to the bright sun. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. Where is YNW Melly? Most people in Panama dont have the expertise, nor equipment to handle these sophisticated tasks. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? We live in interesting times. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls deaths were an accident. First calls at 16:39 then nothing again for 14 hours? After the alarm was raised on April 2, a search party was sent to look for them but nothing was found until ten weeks later when a local woman who found Froons blue backpack turned it in to authorities. Hi Ray, thank you for your comment. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. Are they low-level or sophisticated or a combo or both? Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. after studying the original photo, she is actually posing sticking her tongue out, in a slight hunched over salute, the light is hitting her hand, her pose and demeanor makes me believe it is Lisanne taking the photo. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. when are you putting a research team together?? And there have been some other unsolved murders in the same area where the girls were. Seriously? Like so many other people I really, really wish we could find the answers to this mystery. Kris is clearly sticking out her tongue at someone. The stats leave 42 cases currently open since 2007. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. The identity of the person who took the images remains a mystery. Only three days later the three assailants were given their sentences: Hctor Abrego - 15 years in prison and must pay his sentence in jail in Santiago. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail.